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Re: Getting as much Rigelian information as possible.

Postby Cralis on Sun 29 Jul 2018 01:17

southwestforests wrote:That's why I said stirring up conversation, not stirring up controversy. I want to remember at least one or two people commenting that they'd missed that detail.


Fair enough :) Maybe it's just a sign of the end times that I keep bumping into people where conversation = controversy. *sigh* Either that or I need new people around me...

But back to the Rigellians, I actually thought quite a bit about that. I've known a few color blind people who once in a great while would do something funny like put the absolutely wrong color on a graphic or wear socks that didn't match the pants or shirt (to be fair, in his case, I don't think he really cared though).

I couldn't help but wonder if a whole society of color blind people might have a collective incident like that. Even learning that light has different wavelengths might not mean anything to them at all. But even then, would they know that "white" would reflect the most heat and "black" would absorb it?

But for that matter, would a color blind alien even have the same fidelity in gray tones that a fully color blind human would have? We can't know that... it's possible that they can only see a few hundred or a few thousand different shades between white and black.

And that got me thinking even further. What about a race that sees only in the IR spectrum? UV spectrum? How about one completely different... sight by sound? I'm not even sure where to start to try and wrap my brain around how that might affect them culturally... could such a race even conceive of the concept of completely open space with distant objects between them? They would literally have NO ability to detect anything that isn't inside their own atmosphere...

Oy. Maybe I'm just too sleep deprived and my mind is running away with things I'm simply not "wired" to understand (so to speak)...
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Re: Getting as much Rigelian information as possible.

Postby southwestforests on Sun 29 Jul 2018 17:39

Cralis wrote:And that got me thinking even further. What about a race that sees only in the IR spectrum? UV spectrum?
That brings these videos to mind, at risk of going tangential here,

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SUNSCREEN in UV, Physics Girl, Published on Jul 21, 2018, https://youtu.be/GRD-xvlhGMc
Length, 12:15

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Only some humans can see this type of light, Polarized light is an unusual form of light. Can humans see when light is polarized? Physics Girl,Published on Jan 31, 2018, https://youtu.be/CSu0cV3fqi8
Length, 9:45

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Monday, January 2, 2017
The Hidden Colors of Butterflies
Butterflies are known for their brilliant display colors, but did you know that these colors are even more complex than what we see? The tiny scales on butterfly wings are capable of reflecting ultraviolet light (UV), and their eyes are capable of detecting it with UV sensitive opsins.
By taking photographs of UV light, we can see some of these hidden patterns, and try to interpret the colors they might perceive.
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I’d also like to clarify that the UV colors of butterflies are the result of UV reflectance, which is something entirely different than fluorescence
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Want to learn more about how these colors are made? Butterfly scales are capable of producing structural coloration through interference mechanisms such as diffraction gratings.

http://thecolorstheysee.blogspot.com/

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And that brings to mind this, part 2 goes in to the diffraction.
The Magic of Butterfly Scales - Part 1 - Smarter Every Day 104, SmarterEveryDay, Published on Nov 1, 2013
https://youtu.be/zsjyWg-Lhek
Length 6:23,
THIS IS A BUTTERFLY! (Scanning Electron Microscope) - Part 2 - Smarter Every Day 105, Published on Nov 29, 2013
https://youtu.be/LE2v3sUzTH4
Length 9:17

Cralis wrote:Oy. Maybe I'm just too sleep deprived and my mind is running away with things I'm simply not "wired" to understand (so to speak)...
With the brain fog which comes from a couple neurological and endocrine diseases which developed around 15 years ago now added to previous experiences of being healthy and sleep deprived, I get that concept with a far deeper understanding than preferred, oh well, such is life.
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Re: Getting as much Rigelian information as possible.

Postby southwestforests on Sun 29 Jul 2018 18:04

As a novelty, and probably mentioned somewhere before, it could be fun to do a double-blind miniatures game with TFN player materials and miniatures printed and painted normally while the ones for Rigelian players are done only in greyscale.
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Re: Getting as much Rigelian information as possible.

Postby Otterman on Wed 02 Jan 2019 14:36

I've read that some critters we think of as having B/W vision, namely dogs, have more rods than cones - but they do indeed have cones. So, they may be able to perceive vivid yellows and blues are extremely faint pastels.

Of course, our Rigelian buddies may not even have cones... or only 1 cone color. There are all sorts of possibilities!
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Re: Getting as much Rigelian information as possible.

Postby SCC on Wed 06 Feb 2019 02:48

Got a related question from recent re-read of the novels: What do we know of the Orion's subject races other then the Gorm? With how often Starfire's original races brought interesting abilities to the table I have to wonder what they could have done to the course of history if only we knew anything about them.
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Re: Getting as much Rigelian information as possible.

Postby Cralis on Fri 08 Feb 2019 01:12

SCC wrote:Got a related question from recent re-read of the novels: What do we know of the Orion's subject races other then the Gorm? With how often Starfire's original races brought interesting abilities to the table I have to wonder what they could have done to the course of history if only we knew anything about them.


I took some time to read and there really isn’t mich said beyond “they encountered and conquered” a few other races before meeting the Terrans, Ophiuchi, and eventually the Gorm (whom they partnered with due to the extraordinary respect the Gorm earned in combat),

I think there is also a nexus article with scenarios outlining another race they encountered (or is that the Terrans in those scenarios? I was going to look that up and I apologize, I ran out of time tonight)
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Re: Getting as much Rigelian information as possible.

Postby coldsteel on Fri 08 Feb 2019 14:46

Cralis wrote:I think there is also a nexus article with scenarios outlining another race they encountered (or is that the Terrans in those scenarios? I was going to look that up and I apologize, I ran out of time tonight)


The Drolian Confederacy? That'd be a conquered race.
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Re: Getting as much Rigelian information as possible.

Postby Xveers on Fri 08 Feb 2019 20:50

Yeah, the Drolians are the only other guys I know about who are mentioned in the Khanate's backstory. The original Nexus article had them covered up to about ISW1 or so's history for them as a kind of epilogue. I remember updating the rules and whatnot to match up with things for ULTRA, and I added a little bit more that brought them to ISW-4, but it was very minimal, if that.
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Re: Getting as much Rigelian information as possible.

Postby SCC on Sun 10 Feb 2019 01:28

Add two more races to the list that more information on would be nice to have: The Kingdom of Abella, who attacked the Ophiuchi through a closed WP and gave them the chance to expand again; and the unnamed race that did the same to the Thebans. Personally scenario packs of these wars might have been interesting to have, even if whoever the Thebans fought must have folded like a wet paper towel.
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